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| May 7th, 09:03 Cherry Crabgrass |
this is what happens... | |
| ...when the traders drop out. Volume dries up and the prices fade. Take it from a professional S & P futures trader...it's not going to get any better. This is Ginko all over again CC |
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| May 7th, 09:22 Shaggy Yer |
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| Possibly. Arb missed a buy back last month and has 3 more days to file the required 'financial' forms. Perhaps a the shareholders meeting he can explain why buy backs have stopped and where the interest is now going. Even if the L$80 million was in a basic real world interest of $1000 a month so that should be a predictable buy back schedule. But, now 38 days since the last buy back. Help us Arbi Wise Kanobi, you're our only hope. |
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| May 7th, 15:13 Spyder Pow |
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| Cherry Crabgrass writes: "...when the traders drop out. Volume dries up and the prices fade. Take it from a professional S & P futures trader...it's not going to get any better. This is Ginko all over again." Crap! I lost money in Ginko too! Should I ever trust a financial institution in SL again? -Spyder |
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| May 8th, 07:33 Angi Fargis |
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| Another guy panicking, isn't really a new thing in the forums of slcapex.com! Ginko was linked to people that stole money in SL (e.g. Casino Owners) who made a profit out of the people addicted to gambling and nearly everyone involved and even not involved knew that! I suggest to stop spreading weird rumors or any other bullshit as this is !!!NO HELP!!! for anyone in here. We need facts, not some guys who just need to compensate something. Regards, Angi |
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| May 8th, 09:42 Shaggy Yer |
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| Panic or pragmatic? I was a supporter of what Arb was doing when he showed he was going to do buy backs. A little slow, but we hoped it would pick up. Now that it is 39 days and counting since the last one AND we now have 2 days until the required financial post, it's no longer people being insulting or name calling, but rather healthy skepticism. Having said that, yes, our situation is MUCH better than Ginko at the moment. As of right now we can sell out at 44% of original value. IIRC Ginko was 0%. Help us Arbi-Wise-Kinobi, you're our only hope. |
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| May 8th, 13:04 Cherry Crabgrass |
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| Just stating a simple fact that I've seen in my 14 years of trading professionally on major markets...the volume had died. Fewer traders making fewer trades. That always, ALWAYS, signifies a market that is dwindling. That is showing in this stock by its price falling off. I said it was link Ginko meaning that, if you watched that stock, this is exactly what happened there too. The traders dropped out, the volume fell and the price dropped and never came back. it looks mighty similar. Oh, and I'm not 'another guy'...LOL...another chick maybe, but not another guy... CC |
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| May 8th, 13:13 Ashleigh Wade |
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| One post ever, Cherry, and a negative one at that....can't say I can put too much faith in that. As a previous futures trader your expertise would be better utilized in examining and trying to help the situation on the trading side. Most of the people in SLW don't have interest in trading anyway from what I understand. They just want money back. And you are right Shaggy. The situation is much better than Ginko. SLW has businesses backing it that produce cash flow which ensure that a buy back can be done. Ginko had a house of cards in wild SL investments. From what I see, the problem is the lack of any substantial capital from which to do a buy back. Accumulating that in full will probably take time, a lot of time. It's a good sign that there is a meeting to discuss this situation. Also a clarification on Ginko. There were never any Ginko Financial shares per say. There was Ginko Currency (GCS), Ginko Perpetual bonds (GPB), and Ginko Perpetual Bonds on AVIX (GPBA). That said, a Ginko Financial IPO did emerge on AVIX during an attempted white knight deal to save Ginko by selling it the exchange business, ensuring a cash flow to pay out the depositors, however that fell through on due diligence. |
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| May 9th, 07:11 Cherry Crabgrass |
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| yes, one post, so far...everyone's got to start somewhere. And I personally don't see that stating the facts based on observation over the past several weeks as being negative. I'm sorry, but I cannot praise what is going on. I too was caught in some of this mess. I chose to trade out at around the .75 level, going back and forth to lower my cost average and actually make something out of this mess...but it was a very small position compared to what some others are holding, and it was when this market was a whole lot more liquid. One trader cannot rectify this situation...it would take quite a few. The liquidity is gone, one cannot get filled on any size of consequence here. Why would a trader want to venture into a market with no liquidity? Until this market becomes more liquid I cannot see much hope in the price rising to a level where buybacks will be done at a satisfactory level to make anyone happy. CC |
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| May 9th, 08:49 Ashleigh Wade |
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| Yes the facts are correct and you make a good observation. It's the "it's not going to get any better" that is the negativity to which I refer. It may not get better; however it might get better and better. If a company, say Hippo Technologies, were to IPO tomorrow it would have a broad impact on market interest across the board. It's hard to compare the SL markets to a RL market in some respects. There are ebbs and flows in interest which the RL markets are not necessarily subject to. This SL markets also tend to be more emotional rather than rational in nature. I don't think anyone can praise what is going on. As a trader I am sure that it drives one crazy. I guess I have to remember as well that SLWers want out, whereas my tendency as an investor is to identify companies that I like, partner with management, then buy in bulk and hold for the long term. So the need for immediate liquidity doesn't affect me as such. My interest is in increasing my equity. Part of the problem I see is that SLW really isn't much more than a promissory note with a bunch of companies backing it up. No one really wants into something like that, they only want out. Hopefully this meeting will solve some of those questions and give direction. I don't have any SLW and I really don't have any interest in it. I bought up other company shares with all my cash shortly before the transition in anticipation of something of this sort. Do you think regular and consistent buy backs would help this situation? |
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| May 9th, 09:15 Cherry Crabgrass |
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| regular buybacks will only work to 'use up' the shares that are sitting there at the lower prices. For example, and I"m assuming (which might not be a good thing) that the trading platform (the means by which we enter buys and sells) on the SLCapex works the same way a trading platform works in RL. If it does, then a buyback will take the shares at the lowest offered price first...In laymans terms the buyback will buy up the shares that investors are trying to sell from the lowest price to the highest price. I would think that if people want the best possible prices on the buyback, everyone, and I mean, everyone would need to cancel the sell offers at these low prices and everyone, and again I mean EVERYONE would need to offer at the same higher price. But then the catch 22 there is that (just say that every single person that owns SLW would put their sell at that 1.03). Arb would not be able to buy as much back as there is a finite amount of cash he has on hand. So I guess it lies with those that have the shares to decide...if they would get organized and do something like set all their prices exactly the same, they would be waiting to get their money because every buy back would be a smaller amount of shares...or they can get the lower price and at least get something quicker...or they can leave it as is and wait anyway. Any way you slice it though, its either sell at a lower price or wait. I really cant see though any way of getting around the 'long wait'. I hope that made some kind of sense... CC |
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